Good pants. A little more weight than a real old pair I have that are very thin and more baggy (straight leg at least) than this newer version. I like the fit of this newer version, the weight, and the pockets are somewhat usable - my old pair had very small pockets and it was a little iffy trusting a phone etc in them, and they were so thin I'd often wear a modern short underneath for the weight of them and also use those pockets instead of the zubaz. These are good enough and weighty enough on their own I don't think I'll need to do that. Long story short, now that I'm already done ha, they're pretty nice, better than an older version if you have an old pair, and a must have for Bills fans in general. Get them.